Thanks for posting! Doing vocals for Steely Dan is how Michael McDonald began his career, so yeah, that’s McDonald on vocals. That’s the whole point. My sneaking suspicion is that most people never expand their horizons enough to find the things that they would appreciate the most, but that’s just a guess and I’m not about to start telling people they need to listen to what I like instead of that shit they like just on the chance that it’s actually possible for someone to have “better” taste than someone else and that I am the only one who really knows the true quality of anything. People perceive their own voice to be the combination of those two sources … There is so much great new music there to explore for the first time. They laughed because they were cryin’, and Walter most of all. Soul nourishing stuff. Without some kind of explanation, I just have to consider the last post to be trolling. Until he caught you with your fingers in the till That soulless yet oh so soulful steely dan sound. Your email address will not be published. “Now all those day-glo freaks who used to paint the face, they’ve joined the human race, some things well never change!”, Stringbuzz However, I endured, and forced myself to listen to aja, then the royal scam. Change ), Josh Rouse: 1972 (2003), Nashville (2005), The Happiness Waltz (2013)
Steely Dan was like the alternative rock band of that time ? I may interject, that the reason you “hate” the Dan is that you love repetition, as evident in your blog. I think they’re a group that some people who know me as a rootsy/rock music enthusiast would be surprised to find how much I love them, but I think that’s because of how they’ve classified/written off as soulless jazz pop by so many. You probably would not want to listen to Steely at a younger aged party, but if you just want a calming, soothing night of music, they’re perfect. I know exactly what u mean about not getting any emotional rewards from listening to them, but what bands do you listen to that get u satisfied. They were popular despite themselves, because they were just too good to be ignored, even if they were often misunderstood. Learn to work the saxophone? That could explain a lot.But seriously, Thin Lizzy with their “expert use” of the wah-wah pedal over Steely Dan. Led Zeppelin had 4 guys that covered everything (including production) and experimental recording techniques to enhance the listener experience (Wish You Were Here Record another amazing example) If Iâm going to get stoned, Iâm throwing on Wish You Were Here not Aja ð Seriously, Steely Dan is not in the same class as Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin, I would go so far as to not classify them as ârockâ and definitely not cutting edge experimental âjazzyâ art music like Frank Zappa who pushed the envelope 100 times more than Steely Dan in that era. Frankly, I don’t see any evidence of impeccable musicianship or sophisticated songs – just overuse of one cheesy chord, and lots of slick production. They could have been huge, but they decided to soldier forth with their music via less trodden paths that purposely hung to the side of popularity so as not to corrupt the sentiments they were trying to covey. I realize you have a very limited understanding of the world, but please understand this: you cannot say that you respect someone and still say that they “suck”. Donât worry if theyâre great, you agree, and you donât like them. September 8, 2017 @ Woe to the one who does you wrong Have they committed some sort of sin? Maybe you can’t connect with Steely Dan because you understand their music just enough to know that they have no use for you. I can clearly see some stuff that is fine and interesting and maybe even respectable, but which gives us nothing to fall in love with. just perfection. You didn’t want anyone else to think you were uncool, like Steely Dan. September 8, 2017 @ Judging by interviews, I’m pretty certain they’re taking the piss most of the time, entertaining themselves with their own brand of offbeat tongue in cheek humour. Fans with tickets to the previously announced 2020 dates are encouraged to hold on to … Perfect groove. Here are five stories that capture that well. With a gun I now have a copy of every group and solo album/cd they ever put out lol, the pistolero Don’t get me wrong: the music of Steely Dan definitely has a place in popular music, but it’s not a place I’d ever like to be. The real reason that Gen-Xers hate Millennials is simple and terrifying. ð. But it shouldn’t be uncool to like their music. I’m too young to have found them in their prime, but I picked up “The Royal Scam” used for $1.99 when I was in high school and didn’t even know anything about them beyond it was a cool cover. Do as the locals do and get yourself a fancy towel or handkerchief. There are way worse bands, present and past, to hate on and you keep contradicting yourself when u say u hate them, but have respect for them. Did you pay the other man with the piece in your hand Fagen never quite sounds genuine. This is the music you hear in frat houses when the brothers are trying to put on a sophisticated air–a modern day equivalent of putting on Hefner-style dressing gowns and smoking pipes. Youâre allowed. Certainly not in the league of Justin Heyward, Steven Tyler, Robert Plant or Geoff Tate. One of the best shows I’ve seen. I like progressive and I like complicated. My parents had all their records and I own all their albums on cd or digital. I have never found anything to emotionally connect to with in Steely Dan. You’re right, they suck. anyway, intersting viewpoint of one of the great bands. By college, I was always having to buy more blank cassettes, walking down the dorm hallways copying everything I could get my hands on. It’s audio nausea to me On paper, they are great, but the sum of the parts sounds like smooth-jazz. Not to minimize artistic talent or skills, but our response is just as much visceral as is rational. I don’t really know what you’re looking for in music. Some of their tunes have among the most complex and interesting chords changes and arrangements in rock. You may also dig this band too…A title dusting of Fagen & Becker. I can’t figure it out, either. We take for granted that so-and-so is âgreatâ until someone surprises us with âAre you kidding? Don’t expect any audience interaction. Their songs smirk. And you should feel no shame in saying it. sbach66 It doesn’t matter who it is–people you form close relationships and you offer social support to will hate on you. Usualy people just don’t get it, they either don’t listen closely and stapels them as lame and cheesy, or they just don’t get the great lyrical and musical happenings in each and every song (or should i say masterpiece?). And to LOVE them. It doesn’t matter what you do–co-workers in all fields will hate … I think these are 2 of the main reasons they don’t get the respect they deserve. You are obviously grovelling far too long here. 4:23 pm. They were like The Band. These bands are so talented as both musicians and lyricists. “I feel like I am different from others and not in a good way.” This was the most common statement when a group of researchers tested some subjects for their familiar … Or why they were what they were. Personally, I love it. No really I think they are sh1t I just can’t cope with anyone thinking I am not capable of understanding the rich textures of those 11th and 13th chords and those sardonic yet deeply meaningful and metaphorical lyrics. In your opinion (and in mine, though that’s not really important) they suck. Acca Dacca After Becker passed the other day, pulled up some SD on Spotify to give them another listen. If you’re the kind of person who believes naively in the ‘American dream’ or similar, then this music is threatening in a subtle and insideous way. I’m jealous. classically trained? Six String Richie If your life’s purpose is to throw up the devil horns every chance you get, when a song like Steely Dan’s “Peg” comes on, you don’t know what to do with yourself. Steely Dan’s fans gush about the band’s perfectionism, musicianship, and sly lyrical darkness, but my new, grudging appreciation had nothing to do … There is an emotional attachment there. September 5, 2017 @ They were pro musicians who could craft great songs. You can’t connect with Steel Dan emotionally because Steely Dan doesn’t care about you. 10:27 am. They want you to squirm at their cheesy-meets-seedy lyrics. BrushHawg. Great horns. In my opinion, if you don’t like them, you’ve either not dedicated enough time to appreciating their art, or you’re just an ignorant Neanderthal. I love Van Morrison. They were superficially goofy and very eclectic, but I quite enjoy their music myself. September 5, 2017 @ 4:11 pm. Listen to something like Razor Boy or Dirty Work. And happily, Steely Dan doesn’t care too much about what you and I think. For me, especially at 48, the song “Hey Nineteen” has become an insightful favorite. Looking up from the new Harry Potter book, Michelle didnât know how to respond to this. ( Log Out / 7:34 pm, Still more country than Sam Hunt’s Kelsea Ballerini Tribute Band…, jessie with the long hair Between the lines in some of the comments i suspect plain snobbery or hipsterism is the basis of their supposed taste. Thank you for this answer and many of the others for helping me understand why this band’s music often makes my skin crawl. Steely Dan’s Donald Fagen and Walter Becker were known for their perfectionism. For now. 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And just to get this on the record, yes, Walter Becker and Donald Fagen were the frontmen of Steely Dan, but the musicians they had with them came from a wide swath of the L.A. session mafia of the 1970s, including Michael McDonald (of the Doobie Brothers), drummer Rick Marotta, and keyboardist Don Grolnick (the latter two of whom worked with Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt), to name just three. Critiquing is really just opining, and as such is just useful for deciding who to listen to when they offer their view. Also, you implied that they just hand out sheet music to session guys and call it good. 12:55 pm. It’s cool, atypical and often at odds with their flawlessly smooth music, making things doubly subversive. The answer is complicated and multifaceted. And also “The Fez” and “F.M. And finally, I leave all you non-believers with their performance on The Old Grey Whistle Test form 1973. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site. Packed house. And, until recently, that has never been a requirement for me. With a gun Btw I found this page by googling I HATE STEELY DAN. Explain that. "I hate Korea.". Ok, so you managed to write a piece about one of my favorites and you even mentioned one of my other favorites (Supertramp). September 5, 2017 @ But whence comes this universal willingness to bow to the artistic integrity of their wheezy, toothless faux jazz/rock parody? More precisely, I donât love them, and thatâs what I think Iâm getting at here. Just learn how to use certain music in certain situations. Killed kittens? Because of thier unique flavor and vibe to someone will be like petting a cat backwards to another. The story and the theme are important too, but again, not the whole answer. September 5, 2017 @ Let’s face it, it’s sort of a weird band that’s too jazzy to be progressive rock, and too rock to be considered jazz, that was slotted into the slosh pit of the classic rock space by Clear Channel some 35 years ago, and asked to fend for itself among legacy AC/DC and Lynyrd Skynyrd cuts. Itâs like falling in love with a person â appearance, yes, intelligence, yes, personality, definitely – but you donât fall in love with everyone you meet that has all three. If it didn’t sound like my music, it sucked. Widespread acceptance isn’t what determines whether something has quality or not. That’s how I feel about Steely Dan. Kingpete I think the comparison with Todd Rundgren is right on. I haven’t been that excited about new music that much other than Jason Isbell. Some of my friends don’t like it and i understand, its complex with lots of metaphors and that’s difficult for people. Does that make it mainstream now? You’ll be missed, Walter. Now, even that grates. By SGT - December 20, 2020 0 13 Facebook Twitter Google+ Pinterest WhatsApp Linkedin Email by Selwyn Duke, The New American: Putting “Why do people hate … I’m personally more drawn to their first five albums when there was still a strong rock element to their music, but there’s no question that Aja is a classic and Gaucho does have its charm for me. So why donât I like Steely Dan? So, I guess you’re saying why do they suck if they are average? I just want to know what all of these people are basing their reasons for hating them on. blue demon September 6, 2017 @ Why drench it in reverb and echo? There is one, and only one, reason to appreciate Steely Dan. Steely Dan’s music is subversive. I think they were one of the bands with the money and backing to do it, that spend years, recording one album. Steely Dan is music for self-congratulating, self-proclaimed “progressive-types” who believe that being an intellectual is sonomous with being a Steely Dan fanboy. They should really get over themselves. I totally agree with you Robb. Putting off something that needs to be … Robert Hill and they always work. Like it does for every band, classic rock radio condensed what was otherwise a quite involved and diverse musical legacy down to a few select tracks that it summarily shoved down your throat for decades and decades until you loved to hate it, but for some sadistic reason couldn’t stop listening, possibly because it still was better than Top 40, or the country format after the Class of ’89, and Pandora and Spotify were still decades away. I’ll play just what I feel People do not like Anne Hathaway. After all, the band is named after a freaking dildo, and have you seen photos of Donald Fagan and Walter Becker? I find it very annoying, and his odd vocal mannerisms make me want to throw stuff against the wall. You say you like “sophisticated and complicated (but not too complicated)”, whatever that means. I’m happy to know that I’m not alone, thrilled to find your old post and feelin’ kinda crappy because I’ve wasted so much time trying to like them. I mean ‘clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right’ is such a classic line. You were the founders of the clinic on the hill Steely Dan and Todd Rundgren. And you’ve seen all the western movies Loathe them to the point that the first note of any Steely Dan song causes me to flip up from XM46 to XM49 and whatever is on there. At some point you started craving those guitar licks on “Reelin’ In The Years.” “Deacon Blues” seemed to encapsulate a depressed mood better than most. I liked all kinds of bands before my friends did and many of them thought I was crazy and most of them even eventually came around to agree with me. If you don’t connect with them, that’s cool. Grew up with them, though admit they were not a particular favorite until many years later. And they’ve done it their way, that inimitable steely dan way, the way that turned them into cult antiheroes and the pop connoisseurs choice of listening for the last 40 years or so. Smoother than butter on a baby’s arse. Iâm not sure if they leave me cold, or if I find them pretentious (imagine that), or what, but I donât care for them. Steely Dan have announced that their 2020 Earth After Hours Tour with Steve Winwood has been rescheduled. That’s the magic of music. Had the opportunity to see them live a couple times and they were stellar. Weâve all had people that were âperfectâ for us, that friends and family couldnât believe we werenât crazy about, that we just werenât that interested in. And this is why can we come to hate holiday music. Always has been.
… n after reading this i dont feel so bad…. Their music is average, and so are their lyrics, which really makes them as unimpressive as any other average band. After having this realization I looked back on the stuff I have written as well as the stuff I am writing now. Brett And slavicdiva, it seems you are unable to grasp the intentions of their lyrics for Deacon Blues. Check out Don’t Take Me Alive, Bad Sneakers, Gaucho etc. Seems you don’t get their sense of humour either. Admittedly, I am a word-nerd, and lots of pop lyrics annoy me – but none so much as theirs. With you 100% about loving many styles. Fagen or Becker themselves? Saturate before using. Steely Dan is part of what i like to call the “thinking mans rock.” Along with others like the Blue Oyster Cult Dire Straits (who i really dig) or Supertramp, very insightful lyrics with intricate instrumentation. Whoever it was who mentioned “just slick production and overuse of one cheesy chord”, thanks for the laugh. Lol…..your lame worshiping of this mediocre soft rock trash is amusing. Steely dan rock though. Diarrhea and vomiting this morn…. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. It’s so much fun to find new styles of music! âI donât hate them,â I replied. But emotional attachmentâ¦ to what? Great drums. However, the websites is so bad because it was edited. In some ways, they helped legitimize it. And Gabriel is so pretty! ||
Steely Dan is probably right up at the top as a studio band and as someone who has never really been that into hearing live music I always gravitate to performers that take recorded music seriously and that was really true with Steely Dan. I’m not saying all corporate crap is bad, but this is polished nonsense. Everything every one of us says is something that we think. September 5, 2017 @ 6:55 am. Their music is boredom in the sonic form. Cheesy, limited in range, and not quite up to par. I appreciate their talent and artistry but have to admit after their first album and a few singles here and there, I never got Steely Dan. Just listening to that saxophone ending the verses of “Peg” evokes a certain feeling that isn’t pleasant. Masturbated in public? Critic B, with whom I never agree, is just as useful. Somewhere in there my tastes, my reason for listening to music or seeing movies or looking at art, went from an intellectual interest to learn about stuff to a need to emotionally engage with something, to fall in love. Doug And there’s nothing wrong with that. The comments that refer to the band as “The Dan” wrap up the problem with “The Dan” with a nice little bow on top – their work is a great steaming pile of pretensions. They dab at you with a somewhat haunting, simple, obtuse, plain sound, and that all at once. Why do people hate BTS with such ferocity? Instead of Baby Mozart, my wife and I played Van Morrison all night long for our daughter for years. This is not genius songwriting. Without their bloated, pretentious, pseudo-jazz noodling, who would have inspired punk? They are the only band whose music causes an automatic uptick in my blood pressure. There are movies I love, but not because the characters are sympathetic or easy for me to identify with, or any of those things you find in screenwriting bibles. 2:08 pm, Luckyoldsun With a gun With Al Murray, Antoine de Caunes, Elis James, Fred MacAulay. Usually, it’s just comments like “Fuck Steely Dan!” or “Steely Dan fucking sucks!” or “Listening to Steely Dan makes my bone marrow hurt,” and so on. 5:05 am, Jack Williams If you’re not familiar with Steely Dan, I suggest you start with Aja. EW in DFW Scotty J Brett 6:00 am. So there you were being force fed “Reelin’ In The Years” and “Do It Again” over and over again with no recourse, and telling your fellow classic rock buddies how much Steely Dan sucked. Why are they even being played on the classic rock station? I always thought ‘Stuck In The Middle With You’ would make a great country song. 4:54 pm. You know why? 4:38 pm. Rest in peace, Walter. They are complete perfectionists in the studio. Their excellence in songwriting and musicianship can’t be denied, and their first few were undoubtedly glorious albums. What do u respect about them? Thank for the article, Trig!!! It’s a little amusing that you praise Tate and Perry, and at the same time seem to claim to be an acceptable judge of musicianship and songcraft. Her two favorite bands? 7:23 am. Whatever. Yet that was the first time I realized it could be cool to like a Steely Dan song, even as a country fan. Your musical elitism will go up in spades.
Also, to tell the truth Donald Fagen’s voice always grated with me. September 5, 2017 @ They suck!â I gave up on trying to defend my position, even though it can still bother me (usually less and less). -Ed. But you didn’t like it. Murder the man This evening I went to a really proficient Steely Dan tribute band to try and rid myself of this strange prejudice I have. If you’re not the type who sits in the back of the class or meeting room, resisting bullshit through jokes and sarcasm, then I can understand the failure to bond with them. You must be like me, on satelite radio im constantly switching between Willies Roadhouse, Outlaw Country, and the Bridge. or you can simply kick back and play their records on a summer’s day, margarita close by. It’s a completely different medium, and hardly the same character. I, myself am steely dan fan untill death do us apart… but though i can not seem to understand what you miss in their music, i fully respect it (as peoples conscious and sub-conscious decisions are diverse and complex). I like the array of instruments that they use, and I love the way they record them. Once upon a time I really liked Steely Dan. Why Steely Dan's 7th studio album, "Gaucho," works so well 40 years after its release. Scotty J ??? How do I make Dead Guy a more engaging and satisfying experience than Steely Dan? But WHY I might like Steely Dan or Frank Zappa, or stock car racing, has probably just as much to do with my experiences and place in my life when it occurred than anything else. But not really. 6:22 am. ||
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